What about Ernie Banks and Ron Santo? What about the multitude of Hall of Famers NOT on a World Series winning team? Isn’t it PITCHING that has been the bane of the Yankees’ post season? Or is Ted Williams undeserving of his MVP and his Hall of Fame selection? What gives?
21
Jun 2009
If It Is Alex Rodriguez’s Fault That The Yankees Haven’t Won With Him, What About Ted Williams?
By 16 Comments
Comments
21
Jun 2009
If It Is Alex Rodriguez’s Fault That The Yankees Haven’t Won With Him, What About Ted Williams?
By 15 Comments
What about Ernie Banks and Ron Santo? What about the multitude of Hall of Famers NOT on a World Series winning team? Isn’t it PITCHING that has been the bane of the Yankees’ post season? Or is Ted Williams undeserving of his MVP and his Hall of Fame selection? What gives?
Comments
-
beckettf says:
not arods fault at all, the yankees spent too many years paying older past there prime players too much for too long
causes in point clemens, damon, giambi, mussina, randy johnson and many others, think they finally got it right buy staying with the youth movement of their pitchers -
what gives????? is better teams and thats it ~!
you guys can’t win em’ all ~I’m a Royals fan ~give me a break~! -
AROD will be in the Hall of Fame just like Ted Williams and the others you mentioned. What’s your point? Who’s been corrupting your mind? Do you know anything about baseball?
-
I can’t blame Arod for making all that cash. But he’s going to have to suffer the consequences when they don’t win titles…which is ridicule in NY. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.
-
One big difference right off the bat is that players during William’s time didn’t have contracts that made the difference between having players or not.
This is not the case with the Yankees of course, but was certainly a contributing factor with Arod’s stay in Texas.
The other aspect was this, all Williams cared about was baseball, all Arod cares about is the money. -
It’s true A Rod never shows up to play in post season, but it’s not A Rod’s fault the Yankees have not gotten out of the first round of the playoffs. The Yankees have horrible pitching, and until they get better pitching, they are not winning anything.
The reason Phil Rizzutto is a HOFer is because of his fielding ability. As a short stop he was the best of his era, and has one of the highest fielding ranges of any short stop of all time. As a short stop, Rizzutto had a lifetime fielding range of 4.78 compared to a league fielding range average of 4.62, for the years he played, compare that to A Rod, whom everyone keeps saying is the greatest ball player of all time, A Rod has a feilding range average, as a short stop only not 3rd baseman, of 4.42 with a league average of 4.15. So not only did short stops have a greater range when Rizzuto played, Rizzuto was the best of the best.
The reason it took so long for Rizzuto to get into the HOF was because he only batted .273. -
I am sure that you will hear several different nonsense answers like “HE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY” or “He has to be the leader” or any of the other crap that people spew about Alex. The long and short of it is that people become revisionists after someone finishes their career. They hate Alex right now for one reason, he makes the most money on the team withthe highest payroll. The difference is that he has not retired yet. Ted Williams was a JERK to reporters his entire career, pretty much a jerk to most people that ran into him but when he retired and was away a few years everyone got this sense of nostalgia for how great he was, so now he is on a pedastel. Same goes for Hank Aaron, he was not even considered in the top 5 OF when he was playing, he sets the record, retires and a few years later people are talking of him being one the top 3 greatest players of all-time. When A-Rod retires and everyone looks back 5 years later, there will be all kinds of fans that were “with him all the way!”
-
Of course those guys are all just bums not worthy to carry the jocks of “winners” like Scott Brosius or Chuck Knoblauch.
I am stunned to see intelligent answers to an intelligent question. Sigh…it is only a matter of time, however, before someone argues that Jeter is better “because he’s a winner.” -
I don’t know Alex Rodriguez
but if he was the coach or the manager
and was fired because Yankees didn’t win
The coach and or manager is often fired
because of the teams losing streak.
Not winning the world series
As for Ted Williams he passed away
2002
I left a website about Ted Williams for you to read. -
The fact that he’s getting double what most top players earn makes him an easy target. He’s obviously going to improve whatever team he goes with but he can’t win them by himself. Pitching will do most of that.
-
It’s not entirely his fault but he is part of that team and anybody that knows anything about baseball knows its a team sport.Sure a guy can make an error,or not perform up to his capabilities but it take the whole team to Win a Championship not just 1 man.
-
I guess you just can’t blame any one person for not winning a championship. It’ all about the team and history will show that the team with the best pitching usually wins the series. Not all the time mind you, but most of the time.
Most of the players in the hall belong there, some don’t. Take Phil Rizzuto for example. Who really believes this guy was a hall of famer? Please!! His numbers don’t warrant hall of fame status but he played for the Yankees and was part of those incredible teams of the ’40s and ’50s. If he had played anywhere else, forget it!
On the other hand, guys like Banks (already a HOFer) and Santo, (who should have been elected long ago) have the numbers. So does Ted Williams! A .344 lifetime batting average says it all.
A-Rod is not to blame for the Yankees failure these past years. The fact is the Yankees have had excellent seasons but in Steinbrenner terms, “Anything less than a world series championship is a failure”. I don’t buy into that at all! -
The difference with Arod is that he isn’t a leader on the team. A guy making that money and with those stats should inherently have those intangibles, but he doesn’t. That makes him an easy target to blame not winning a ring on his.
-
The difference is that the Yankees are EXPECTED to win. That’s how the script is supposed to go.
-
Ted Williams wasnt placed on a team that already had the best talent in the league and a $200M payroll. your comparison is a reach at best.
21
Jun 2009
If It Is Alex Rodriguez’s Fault That The Yankees Haven’t Won With Him, What About Ted Williams?
By 15 Comments
What about Ernie Banks and Ron Santo? What about the multitude of Hall of Famers NOT on a World Series winning team? Isn’t it PITCHING that has been the bane of the Yankees’ post season? Or is Ted Williams undeserving of his MVP and his Hall of Fame selection? What gives?
Comments
-
not arods fault at all, the yankees spent too many years paying older past there prime players too much for too long
causes in point clemens, damon, giambi, mussina, randy johnson and many others, think they finally got it right buy staying with the youth movement of their pitchers -
what gives????? is better teams and thats it ~!
you guys can’t win em’ all ~I’m a Royals fan ~give me a break~! -
AROD will be in the Hall of Fame just like Ted Williams and the others you mentioned. What’s your point? Who’s been corrupting your mind? Do you know anything about baseball?
-
I can’t blame Arod for making all that cash. But he’s going to have to suffer the consequences when they don’t win titles…which is ridicule in NY. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.
-
One big difference right off the bat is that players during William’s time didn’t have contracts that made the difference between having players or not.
This is not the case with the Yankees of course, but was certainly a contributing factor with Arod’s stay in Texas.
The other aspect was this, all Williams cared about was baseball, all Arod cares about is the money. -
It’s true A Rod never shows up to play in post season, but it’s not A Rod’s fault the Yankees have not gotten out of the first round of the playoffs. The Yankees have horrible pitching, and until they get better pitching, they are not winning anything.
The reason Phil Rizzutto is a HOFer is because of his fielding ability. As a short stop he was the best of his era, and has one of the highest fielding ranges of any short stop of all time. As a short stop, Rizzutto had a lifetime fielding range of 4.78 compared to a league fielding range average of 4.62, for the years he played, compare that to A Rod, whom everyone keeps saying is the greatest ball player of all time, A Rod has a feilding range average, as a short stop only not 3rd baseman, of 4.42 with a league average of 4.15. So not only did short stops have a greater range when Rizzuto played, Rizzuto was the best of the best.
The reason it took so long for Rizzuto to get into the HOF was because he only batted .273. -
I am sure that you will hear several different nonsense answers like “HE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY” or “He has to be the leader” or any of the other crap that people spew about Alex. The long and short of it is that people become revisionists after someone finishes their career. They hate Alex right now for one reason, he makes the most money on the team withthe highest payroll. The difference is that he has not retired yet. Ted Williams was a JERK to reporters his entire career, pretty much a jerk to most people that ran into him but when he retired and was away a few years everyone got this sense of nostalgia for how great he was, so now he is on a pedastel. Same goes for Hank Aaron, he was not even considered in the top 5 OF when he was playing, he sets the record, retires and a few years later people are talking of him being one the top 3 greatest players of all-time. When A-Rod retires and everyone looks back 5 years later, there will be all kinds of fans that were “with him all the way!”
-
Of course those guys are all just bums not worthy to carry the jocks of “winners” like Scott Brosius or Chuck Knoblauch.
I am stunned to see intelligent answers to an intelligent question. Sigh…it is only a matter of time, however, before someone argues that Jeter is better “because he’s a winner.” -
I don’t know Alex Rodriguez
but if he was the coach or the manager
and was fired because Yankees didn’t win
The coach and or manager is often fired
because of the teams losing streak.
Not winning the world series
As for Ted Williams he passed away
2002
I left a website about Ted Williams for you to read. -
The fact that he’s getting double what most top players earn makes him an easy target. He’s obviously going to improve whatever team he goes with but he can’t win them by himself. Pitching will do most of that.
-
It’s not entirely his fault but he is part of that team and anybody that knows anything about baseball knows its a team sport.Sure a guy can make an error,or not perform up to his capabilities but it take the whole team to Win a Championship not just 1 man.
-
I guess you just can’t blame any one person for not winning a championship. It’ all about the team and history will show that the team with the best pitching usually wins the series. Not all the time mind you, but most of the time.
Most of the players in the hall belong there, some don’t. Take Phil Rizzuto for example. Who really believes this guy was a hall of famer? Please!! His numbers don’t warrant hall of fame status but he played for the Yankees and was part of those incredible teams of the ’40s and ’50s. If he had played anywhere else, forget it!
On the other hand, guys like Banks (already a HOFer) and Santo, (who should have been elected long ago) have the numbers. So does Ted Williams! A .344 lifetime batting average says it all.
A-Rod is not to blame for the Yankees failure these past years. The fact is the Yankees have had excellent seasons but in Steinbrenner terms, “Anything less than a world series championship is a failure”. I don’t buy into that at all! -
The difference with Arod is that he isn’t a leader on the team. A guy making that money and with those stats should inherently have those intangibles, but he doesn’t. That makes him an easy target to blame not winning a ring on his.
-
The difference is that the Yankees are EXPECTED to win. That’s how the script is supposed to go.
-
Ted Williams wasnt placed on a team that already had the best talent in the league and a $200M payroll. your comparison is a reach at best.
21
Jun 2009
If It Is Alex Rodriguez’s Fault That The Yankees Haven’t Won With Him, What About Ted Williams?
By 15 Comments
What about Ernie Banks and Ron Santo? What about the multitude of Hall of Famers NOT on a World Series winning team? Isn’t it PITCHING that has been the bane of the Yankees’ post season? Or is Ted Williams undeserving of his MVP and his Hall of Fame selection? What gives?
Comments
-
not arods fault at all, the yankees spent too many years paying older past there prime players too much for too long
causes in point clemens, damon, giambi, mussina, randy johnson and many others, think they finally got it right buy staying with the youth movement of their pitchers -
what gives????? is better teams and thats it ~!
you guys can’t win em’ all ~I’m a Royals fan ~give me a break~! -
AROD will be in the Hall of Fame just like Ted Williams and the others you mentioned. What’s your point? Who’s been corrupting your mind? Do you know anything about baseball?
-
I can’t blame Arod for making all that cash. But he’s going to have to suffer the consequences when they don’t win titles…which is ridicule in NY. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.
-
One big difference right off the bat is that players during William’s time didn’t have contracts that made the difference between having players or not.
This is not the case with the Yankees of course, but was certainly a contributing factor with Arod’s stay in Texas.
The other aspect was this, all Williams cared about was baseball, all Arod cares about is the money. -
It’s true A Rod never shows up to play in post season, but it’s not A Rod’s fault the Yankees have not gotten out of the first round of the playoffs. The Yankees have horrible pitching, and until they get better pitching, they are not winning anything.
The reason Phil Rizzutto is a HOFer is because of his fielding ability. As a short stop he was the best of his era, and has one of the highest fielding ranges of any short stop of all time. As a short stop, Rizzutto had a lifetime fielding range of 4.78 compared to a league fielding range average of 4.62, for the years he played, compare that to A Rod, whom everyone keeps saying is the greatest ball player of all time, A Rod has a feilding range average, as a short stop only not 3rd baseman, of 4.42 with a league average of 4.15. So not only did short stops have a greater range when Rizzuto played, Rizzuto was the best of the best.
The reason it took so long for Rizzuto to get into the HOF was because he only batted .273. -
I am sure that you will hear several different nonsense answers like “HE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY” or “He has to be the leader” or any of the other crap that people spew about Alex. The long and short of it is that people become revisionists after someone finishes their career. They hate Alex right now for one reason, he makes the most money on the team withthe highest payroll. The difference is that he has not retired yet. Ted Williams was a JERK to reporters his entire career, pretty much a jerk to most people that ran into him but when he retired and was away a few years everyone got this sense of nostalgia for how great he was, so now he is on a pedastel. Same goes for Hank Aaron, he was not even considered in the top 5 OF when he was playing, he sets the record, retires and a few years later people are talking of him being one the top 3 greatest players of all-time. When A-Rod retires and everyone looks back 5 years later, there will be all kinds of fans that were “with him all the way!”
-
Of course those guys are all just bums not worthy to carry the jocks of “winners” like Scott Brosius or Chuck Knoblauch.
I am stunned to see intelligent answers to an intelligent question. Sigh…it is only a matter of time, however, before someone argues that Jeter is better “because he’s a winner.” -
I don’t know Alex Rodriguez
but if he was the coach or the manager
and was fired because Yankees didn’t win
The coach and or manager is often fired
because of the teams losing streak.
Not winning the world series
As for Ted Williams he passed away
2002
I left a website about Ted Williams for you to read. -
The fact that he’s getting double what most top players earn makes him an easy target. He’s obviously going to improve whatever team he goes with but he can’t win them by himself. Pitching will do most of that.
-
It’s not entirely his fault but he is part of that team and anybody that knows anything about baseball knows its a team sport.Sure a guy can make an error,or not perform up to his capabilities but it take the whole team to Win a Championship not just 1 man.
-
I guess you just can’t blame any one person for not winning a championship. It’ all about the team and history will show that the team with the best pitching usually wins the series. Not all the time mind you, but most of the time.
Most of the players in the hall belong there, some don’t. Take Phil Rizzuto for example. Who really believes this guy was a hall of famer? Please!! His numbers don’t warrant hall of fame status but he played for the Yankees and was part of those incredible teams of the ’40s and ’50s. If he had played anywhere else, forget it!
On the other hand, guys like Banks (already a HOFer) and Santo, (who should have been elected long ago) have the numbers. So does Ted Williams! A .344 lifetime batting average says it all.
A-Rod is not to blame for the Yankees failure these past years. The fact is the Yankees have had excellent seasons but in Steinbrenner terms, “Anything less than a world series championship is a failure”. I don’t buy into that at all! -
The difference with Arod is that he isn’t a leader on the team. A guy making that money and with those stats should inherently have those intangibles, but he doesn’t. That makes him an easy target to blame not winning a ring on his.
-
The difference is that the Yankees are EXPECTED to win. That’s how the script is supposed to go.
-
Ted Williams wasnt placed on a team that already had the best talent in the league and a $200M payroll. your comparison is a reach at best.
not arods fault at all, the yankees spent too many years paying older past there prime players too much for too long
causes in point clemens, damon, giambi, mussina, randy johnson and many others, think they finally got it right buy staying with the youth movement of their pitchers
what gives????? is better teams and thats it ~!
you guys can’t win em’ all ~I’m a Royals fan ~give me a break~!
AROD will be in the Hall of Fame just like Ted Williams and the others you mentioned. What’s your point? Who’s been corrupting your mind? Do you know anything about baseball?
I can’t blame Arod for making all that cash. But he’s going to have to suffer the consequences when they don’t win titles…which is ridicule in NY. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.
One big difference right off the bat is that players during William’s time didn’t have contracts that made the difference between having players or not.
This is not the case with the Yankees of course, but was certainly a contributing factor with Arod’s stay in Texas.
The other aspect was this, all Williams cared about was baseball, all Arod cares about is the money.
It’s true A Rod never shows up to play in post season, but it’s not A Rod’s fault the Yankees have not gotten out of the first round of the playoffs. The Yankees have horrible pitching, and until they get better pitching, they are not winning anything.
The reason Phil Rizzutto is a HOFer is because of his fielding ability. As a short stop he was the best of his era, and has one of the highest fielding ranges of any short stop of all time. As a short stop, Rizzutto had a lifetime fielding range of 4.78 compared to a league fielding range average of 4.62, for the years he played, compare that to A Rod, whom everyone keeps saying is the greatest ball player of all time, A Rod has a feilding range average, as a short stop only not 3rd baseman, of 4.42 with a league average of 4.15. So not only did short stops have a greater range when Rizzuto played, Rizzuto was the best of the best.
The reason it took so long for Rizzuto to get into the HOF was because he only batted .273.
I am sure that you will hear several different nonsense answers like “HE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY” or “He has to be the leader” or any of the other crap that people spew about Alex. The long and short of it is that people become revisionists after someone finishes their career. They hate Alex right now for one reason, he makes the most money on the team withthe highest payroll. The difference is that he has not retired yet. Ted Williams was a JERK to reporters his entire career, pretty much a jerk to most people that ran into him but when he retired and was away a few years everyone got this sense of nostalgia for how great he was, so now he is on a pedastel. Same goes for Hank Aaron, he was not even considered in the top 5 OF when he was playing, he sets the record, retires and a few years later people are talking of him being one the top 3 greatest players of all-time. When A-Rod retires and everyone looks back 5 years later, there will be all kinds of fans that were “with him all the way!”
Of course those guys are all just bums not worthy to carry the jocks of “winners” like Scott Brosius or Chuck Knoblauch.
I am stunned to see intelligent answers to an intelligent question. Sigh…it is only a matter of time, however, before someone argues that Jeter is better “because he’s a winner.”
I don’t know Alex Rodriguez
but if he was the coach or the manager
and was fired because Yankees didn’t win
The coach and or manager is often fired
because of the teams losing streak.
Not winning the world series
As for Ted Williams he passed away
2002
I left a website about Ted Williams for you to read.
The fact that he’s getting double what most top players earn makes him an easy target. He’s obviously going to improve whatever team he goes with but he can’t win them by himself. Pitching will do most of that.
It’s not entirely his fault but he is part of that team and anybody that knows anything about baseball knows its a team sport.Sure a guy can make an error,or not perform up to his capabilities but it take the whole team to Win a Championship not just 1 man.
I guess you just can’t blame any one person for not winning a championship. It’ all about the team and history will show that the team with the best pitching usually wins the series. Not all the time mind you, but most of the time.
Most of the players in the hall belong there, some don’t. Take Phil Rizzuto for example. Who really believes this guy was a hall of famer? Please!! His numbers don’t warrant hall of fame status but he played for the Yankees and was part of those incredible teams of the ’40s and ’50s. If he had played anywhere else, forget it!
On the other hand, guys like Banks (already a HOFer) and Santo, (who should have been elected long ago) have the numbers. So does Ted Williams! A .344 lifetime batting average says it all.
A-Rod is not to blame for the Yankees failure these past years. The fact is the Yankees have had excellent seasons but in Steinbrenner terms, “Anything less than a world series championship is a failure”. I don’t buy into that at all!
The difference with Arod is that he isn’t a leader on the team. A guy making that money and with those stats should inherently have those intangibles, but he doesn’t. That makes him an easy target to blame not winning a ring on his.
The difference is that the Yankees are EXPECTED to win. That’s how the script is supposed to go.
Ted Williams wasnt placed on a team that already had the best talent in the league and a $200M payroll. your comparison is a reach at best.
If we eliminate all the players that are in the Hall of Fame that weren’t on a championship team, there would be not Cubs in the Hall!