http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/ A tribute to and petition for Ron Santo to be inducted in the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:23:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142791 bdough15 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142791 Two things will keep him out, first his prime years were in Montreal where no one saw him and second the media never forgets someone who admitted doing cocaine on the field of play. Fans are forgiving but writers voting for the HOF are not. He was a good OF that had some great years but was not a HOF type player in my opinion. He was a great base stealer in the time of Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson, he had some pop but not enough to make you think of him as HOF. He also bounced to much and some of his stats are inflated by staying around too long (extra hits especially) Two things will keep him out, first his prime years were in Montreal where no one saw him and second the media never forgets someone who admitted doing cocaine on the field of play. Fans are forgiving but writers voting for the HOF are not. He was a good OF that had some great years but was not a HOF type player in my opinion. He was a great base stealer in the time of Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson, he had some pop but not enough to make you think of him as HOF. He also bounced to much and some of his stats are inflated by staying around too long (extra hits especially)

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142792 Frizzer Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142792 Raines was a good player but not HOF caliber, I don't believe he will ever make it. Raines was a good player but not HOF caliber, I don’t believe he will ever make it.

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142793 Margarit Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142793 All of them should be ......and add STEVE GARVEY to that list!! All of them should be ……and add STEVE GARVEY to that list!!

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142794 The Lorax Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142794 I loved "Rock" he was a great professional player. But I would put him just under the HOF mark. It seems a lot of people just want to put anyone who had some great years into the hall. It is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of the really really good. I personnally believe the standard has lowered for players people think should be in the hall. Or sometimes it's hard not to root for the players we grew up watching and liked to get there. I loved “Rock” he was a great professional player. But I would put him just under the HOF mark. It seems a lot of people just want to put anyone who had some great years into the hall. It is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of the really really good.
I personnally believe the standard has lowered for players people think should be in the hall. Or sometimes it’s hard not to root for the players we grew up watching and liked to get there.

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142795 stormwol Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142795 Truthfully, though he was a very good player, I really don't believe that he has the protfolio to be considered for the HOF. Very good player no question, but was only great for about 5-6 yrs. Truthfully, though he was a very good player, I really don’t believe that he has the protfolio to be considered for the HOF. Very good player no question, but was only great for about 5-6 yrs.

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142796 Niceguy0 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142796 I doubt he will ever make it. He had some good seasons, but was never one of the top 10 players in baseball, plus he was suspended for cocaine use. Mattingly was baseballs best player for 5 years, and he will never make it either :( I doubt he will ever make it. He had some good seasons, but was never one of the top 10 players in baseball, plus he was suspended for cocaine use. Mattingly was baseballs best player for 5 years, and he will never make it either

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142790 Minister of Truth Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142790 I don't see Rock making the hall. Very nice numbers but only stolen bases really stand out. 23 season and only 2600 hits hurts him. Triples he ranks 115th. The voters really like the milestones. 3000 hits, 500 homers, 300 wins etc..Too bad they don't have a leadoff man section in the hall otherwise he'd probably be in. I don’t see Rock making the hall. Very nice numbers but only stolen bases really stand out. 23 season and only 2600 hits hurts him. Triples he ranks 115th. The voters really like the milestones. 3000 hits, 500 homers, 300 wins etc..Too bad they don’t have a leadoff man section in the hall otherwise he’d probably be in.

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142788 Information Police Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142788 Outside chance at best and certainly not in his first year of eligibility. I really don't think so. Outside chance at best and certainly not in his first year of eligibility. I really don’t think so.

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142789 schufs Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142789 Raines might have easily made it(not first ballot though) if he had been with the Yankees or Mets his entire career, but he wasn't. His stats are just shy of making the HOF. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great player, but he was at the top of the list of good players for a relatively short time. I also believe you shouldn't get in just because you played so many seasons just to pad stats(not saying Raines intentionally did that though). It's surprising that someone would bring up Mattingly in this question. He might make the HOF strictly because he was a lifelong Yankee. If he played exclusively with any other team, he would fall off the ballot easily. I disagree that he was the best player in baseball for five or six years... maybe a couple, but that is because he was a Yankee. Raines might have easily made it(not first ballot though) if he had been with the Yankees or Mets his entire career, but he wasn’t.
His stats are just shy of making the HOF. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a great player, but he was at the top of the list of good players for a relatively short time.
I also believe you shouldn’t get in just because you played so many seasons just to pad stats(not saying Raines intentionally did that though).
It’s surprising that someone would bring up Mattingly in this question. He might make the HOF strictly because he was a lifelong Yankee. If he played exclusively with any other team, he would fall off the ballot easily. I disagree that he was the best player in baseball for five or six years… maybe a couple, but that is because he was a Yankee.

]]> http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-142787 Birds on the Bat Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://www.santoforhall.com/2009/06/20/will-tim-raines-ever-make-the-hall-of-fame-and-if-so-when-2008-is-his-first-year-of-eligibility-and-i/#comment-142787 Honestly, yes I do think he belongs in the Hall. And if he had played for a New York or Boston team, he would probably get in quicker. The stolen bases, triples and batting average should get him in. But will it? I don't know, probably not. Honestly, yes I do think he belongs in the Hall. And if he had played for a New York or Boston team, he would probably get in quicker.
The stolen bases, triples and batting average should get him in. But will it? I don’t know, probably not.

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